Parenting in Leadership: How to Raise Future Leaders featuring Marc Hildebrand

Hey, my name is Teresa Hildebrand and this is Organized Chaos. We take a deep dive into living with intentionality, focusing on what's important in our lives so we can truly feel our best. It may feel chaotic at times, but with a little organization, the right mindset and a ton of self-love, we can still thrive. Join me as we talk to other busy moms and experts who will share tips and strategies to help you reach your goals. Hope you enjoy this episode of Organized Chaos. Now on to the show. All right friends, welcome to this episode of Organized Chaos. Today I have a special guest with me. I have my husband, Marc Hildebrand. Say hello.

Hi, I didn't think you were going to introduce me with my last name.

Just in case. Just in case people don't know who you are, they can look you up. Today, we're actually going to be talking about something really special. We're going to be talking about parenting. In a way, it's parenting and leadership and how to raise future leaders. Because this topic is of around leadership, I wanted to bring an expert in the topic. That's why Mark is here today.

Yes, you are an expert. I was going to say is there somebody else that's going to pop on real soon and take over for me?

No way.

No way.

Yeah, all right.

By the way, so pumped up to be on your podcast. I know you have lots of loyal listeners all over the world, honestly, but I know this topic of raising powerful leaders is something that's near and dear to, of course, a lot of the mom entrepreneurs who are listening to your show. But I feel like it's a transitional shift that we've made. I don't remember, when I was growing up, really having somebody whether it's a parent or somebody like, taking the approach of like how can I develop this boy into a powerful leader? It wasn't something that was near and dear on their minds because of its different times. I mean, there's, there was nothing wrong with that. We all go through different times, right. But I feel like right now more than ever, like we are asking ourselves as parents. We're like, okay, how can I learn from not only my childhood but also what I've been able to develop in my personal life and pass this on to my kids to give them the greatest opportunity not only to lead but to make a huge impact in the world? And like this thing of being happy, right, and I feel like that's there's like a there's like a happy medium, medium ground there, like we we're not going to make our kids happy or unhappy, but really like how we can show up as the parents that we want to be, as the leaders we want to be, to really instill those things in them. So, yes, I, I like putting this together extremely powerful like topic. I know you, you presented this to me yesterday and we're actually, for those of you guys who don't know, so Teresa is the co-host of the modern leadership YouTube channel that we have, and, of course, she's on our podcast as well, and we're doing this live on modern leadership on YouTube so that our we could stream this over there, because this whole leadership philosophy, especially when it comes to leading your kids, is so important right now that we just wanted to dive in. So let's kind of like start off with that, because I know, when we think about parenting and we think about leadership, sometimes we think of them as separate, different things, right? I can't tell you how many people are like, oh, I'm not a leader, and I'm like I thought you had kids and they're like, yeah, I have kids. I'm like, well then, you're leading. You're probably like an even more powerful leader than somebody in the corporate world or somebody out in the business world, because you're leading people who are like trying to convince you that they don't want to eat their broccoli, that they don't want to go to bed on time, that they don't want to, you know, and so I really want to like start with this whole idea of like. When you think about like your parenting and your leadership styles, how do you think they kind of like influence each other and are like working synergy with each other? What do you think?

Yeah, but before we actually get into that, I wanted to go back to what you said you said earlier and just talking about how this it's different the way that we were raised and because there were different times. But I think now I think it's really something that we see more and it's more like I don't want to say mainstream, but it's. It's not like this like out there concept, because it's it's more, it's more like conscious and like there's more effort into this now nowadays. But I think it's because we went through kind of that era that we did whether you're a millennial or a Gen X or whatever but now it's kind of like we're more intentional about what we do with our kids, how we show up, how we model behavior and how we raise them Right. So there's a more conscious effort, I think, globally and this is a good topic to talk about because, like, how do you even do that intentionally, right, because we can instill certain things that we want our kids to grow up with and for them to become those leaders. But how do we do that consciously? So that's kind of like what we're talking about today, but I think it's really important to kind of like highlight the fact that we're doing this now a bit more intentionally, because it's like we're learning from the past, right, we're learning what not to do and we're learning what we can actually bring from there, because, I mean, it wasn't all bad, right, right. And of course, it also depends on how you grew up, because we all grew up in different environments. So I think that we can pinpoint the positives and also learn from the negatives, right?

Yeah, I think that it's a key thing and we need to call it the elephant in the room. This doesn't mean that our parents or the people who grew up you know, who we grew up with are bad or good. I mean, it's just an experience in and of itself. We are going to pass off demons to our kids. We are going to show up in a way that later they're going to be like man. I really wish my parents didn't show up like this is a part of evolution. So I hope that people don't feel like we're poo-pooing on our parents and saying, like everywhere better, and that's not the case, like probably because we're leaning too far this way, they're going to be like oh my God, they gave us everything. Like why couldn't they let us experience things by themselves? Right? Because you know, being helicopter parents ourselves, we do. We do tend to go a little overboard, but it's the same Like it's. Of course, this is near and dear to us, but at the same time, like Teresa said, we learn what to do and learn not to do. I learned through my police career, a lot of what not to do by my training officers rather than learning what to do. But even those things were like really, really awesome and important for me to learn, but also didn't make them bad or me any better than them, right? It's just a process of this evolution and I think, as parents, we have to just think about that, like, yes, we want to try and be as great as we can be for our kids, but we're not going to be perfect and we're going to pass stuff off and that's just a part of this journey.

Yeah, yeah, I love that. So what was your question?

again, my question was like the difference or the connection between leadership and parenting. Like how do you think like the whole leadership flows into your parenting, or the houses of parenting all flow into your leadership? Like what do you think that connection is?

Yeah, yeah. So I think for me, parenting has basically taught me patience and empathy, right, and understanding kind of like the unique needs of kids has made me more kind of attuned to the needs of the people that I lead, so it like allows me to lead with like greater compassion.

Yeah, I like that and because, first off, I wish I could say that I was super patient with the kids. Let's just say that I'm way better now than I used to be. But you're right, like when you develop that patience, like I really feel like my kids gave me, give me the greatest opportunity to become better out in my business or in the real world, you know, because it's like if I can handle being more patient and having empathy with them, I can do it with anybody else in the world, so I love that. For me, I think what this has been always like, constantly on my mind and this is something I now use as my superpower instead of my kryptonite is like really getting me to show up and model the behavior that I want to see in them. I think about this a lot, like how can I model or take the actions that I want to see in them? And it's not just when everything is fine and hunky dory, but like when things are difficult, when I get knocked down a few rungs, like I want them to know. I want them to know like, hey, guess what? Like dad messed this up, dad made a mistake over here and this is what I learned and this is how I'm not going to have that happen again. Because I want them to see that, like, as a leader, they're going to make mistakes, but also, like I stay true to my values. Like, yeah, and also I raised my voice in this specific situation Because I was like I don't like the way that that sounded or I didn't like that somebody brought up this point or whatever, or I disagree with that because I believe that this is right. I know, here on my channel or here on our YouTube channel, like we really talk about like the family being such an important, critical and vital component of business, right, of career, of your leadership, right, and that's not something that everybody sees. Like some people are like I just want to make a lot of money and I love that and I want them to make tons of money, but that's not what it's all about for me and for the people that we have that are following us on modern leadership. It's people who want to make a big impact in the world, make some money because you got to be able to survive, and also like really connect with your family on a deep and like intimate level, creating this legacy kind of thing, and so for me being able to model that behavior for my kids, getting them to see dad's going to crush it over here, like I'm literally out of town, whether it's at a dad edge, like mastermind summit, or we're graduating our life coach life coaches into the like, the next round of like becoming a master coach. Now, like I want them to see that I'm going to crush that and I'm also going to crush the time that I spend with them. I'm also going to like give them just as much time and energy as I give everybody else, and by doing that I literally feel like I'm modeling the behavior for them. So when they get older, they're like oh no, dad was able to do this and this because dad screwed it up in the beginning. When dad was like I could do this or this, that was me. I know many of you guys don't know. Your don't know my story here on organized chaos, but that's what I was. I was giving so much to my career. I was like I need to like climb up the ladder at LAPD. I need to be able to like excel, I need to be the one that everybody can count on. And what that did is it made my health and my family and my connection less, and so I would have to like lean into this. I would come home as a zombie because I was working so much overtime that there wouldn't be anything left over for me for those important things. And yet that was a critical moment in my life, because I'm like okay, is this how I want to model the behavior, so my kids will follow suit? And the answer was no, and so I decided that that had been my rock bottom and I was going to change it and I was going to do something different. And, of course, by leaning into a business, which is crazy, because you're like Mark, you're already busy and now you added a business to this. Yes, because I got very specific with my time, which we'll probably talk a little bit later and by doing so, I was able to create a business that allowed me to retire. And now I get to be at home and leave, let them go in the morning time to school, like I just dropped off Andrew at school, and then I get to pick them up a little bit later, or at least be home. When I'm doing that, be able to be bossed around by a puppy, all those great things Like now gives me the opportunity, so I get to show them through my actions, not necessarily through my words. So I know that was kind of like a long version of it, but I feel like the best thing that I can give them is me modeling the behavior myself, and it always gets me to show up on a different level when I remind myself what I'm about to do how is this going to impact my kids, because I'm going to do it anyway. Or when it gets tough, or when it gets difficult, like how is this me showing up now going to be like something that's going to give my kids back exponentially? And it just gets me to show up on an entirely different level.

Yeah, I mean, that's step number one, right? Whatever we want to instill in our kids, we have to, you know, walk the walk. And I you know that that is like the foundation, right, like you model the behavior. And I also think that you know we learn so much from our kids on what to do and you know how to help them, how to raise them to be great leaders. And I think that you know one thing we also don't talk about much is how we've learned so much from our son, who is living with ADHD, and I mean we had to learn so much about that when he was diagnosed, when he was 10 years old. He's 14 now, so he was diagnosed with ADHD and OCD and there was so much that we were struggling with with him because we didn't know what to do, right, we didn't know, like, what was happening with him, we didn't know the challenges that he had, and thankfully, we were able to connect with people who could support us professionals and people who could, like, really kind of identify how we could help him right, how we can support him. And that's you know, that's another part of leadership right Is because you're you're gonna deal with situations that are super challenging and it's about, again, empathy and compassion and understanding how you can be that support person and how you can be part of that support system. So in doing so he's really able to excel right. And we're still learning, you know, he's still going through transitions like any other kid going into, you know, the teenage years, and now we have two teenagers. So that's kind of like another step that we have to, you know, or another journey we kind of have to embark on. But it's like they learn from us but we also learn from them as well 100%.

I think like it's a it's kind of like a great synergy between that parenting and leadership, Like what we're talking about, like being like parents actually makes us a better leader and becoming better leaders also makes us better parents, right. So it's like that strive of in between both in doing whatever we can to like lead and model that behavior but but of course there's going to be an elephant in the room is like how do I do that? How do I find the time? Like there's a lot of challenges with leadership and there's a lot of challenges with teenagers and kids and all that great stuff. So I want to throw it back to you Like what are some ways that you have found to be able to help overcome those challenges, whether it's time management or like anything that kind of like your that comes up when it comes to these types of challenge? What has been like the, the most impactful ones that you have implemented?

Yeah, I mean, you know, like you said, time management and I it's not. You know, regarding like having like a perfectly planned schedule and like everything is going to go perfectly right, like that doesn't happen, like we don't live in that world. But it's about understanding what is most important and identifying your priorities and making time for those priorities and then letting go of the stuff that doesn't matter or, you know, giving those tasks to somebody else. It's all about that and it's about, you know, setting clear boundaries and prioritizing what needs to be prioritized. You know it like it involves, like, my children in my work when appropriate, like involving them when we have to let them understand like, hey, you know, we have a business from home, so there's there's a lot of work in like work-life integration rather than work-life balance, where Everything happens here in the house. So we have meetings here, we have live, you know, workshops here, we have podcasts, and you know we have to set time aside, and then, like the kids are here and then now we have a dog, so it's kind of like everything is kind of mingled together and they have to understand and we have to communicate with them why this is important so we can get their buying as well, so that they can also help and they can, you know, be part of that support system as well.

Yeah, I love that. I mean, you literally have the greatest name ever with organized chaos here, and that's kind of like what I feel like it is at home. It's like as organized as you possibly can, but it's chaos, right, it's. It's yeah, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face, like Mike Tyson says, right and then everything kind of like falls to the To plan B or plan C if you have those right. But I I do feel like what you're hitting on, like the 80-20 right, like finding what is moves the needle the most, what really connects you the most, what really helps your business the most, and then just double downing on doubling down on that and like eliminating or outsourcing the rest is so important. I also found, like, when it comes to home life, kind of like what you're talking about is Sharing, like the why behind some things, but also getting them to help out wherever we can, right. So of course there's different incentives for them. Like right now, like the big thing is like more screen time right, they want to be able to play for a little bit longer, and so we kind of build in some incentives for them to help out around the house. But also like getting them involved in like launches or things that we're doing, that we've done in the past and it's been really successful. Like, hey, you know it, when we hit this, this is what we're gonna be able to do and get as a family and by doing that, incorporating them into it, they, they, instead of being a part of the problem. They want to be a part of the solution. Right, so being able to lead with that being opened, opening up the doors to that, and not just like, hey, everything is, is perfect and fine. So that way, when they get in the real world and they know when things don't go well, but making sure that that you kind of like I don't want to say delegate, but like you're able to not just have it all come down to you and be able to communicate very, very well and Ask for people to get help and why and how it's gonna help in the in the long term, is a game changer, especially for my son. Like if he knows what it's gonna do and how helpful it's gonna be for him to take out the trash or to Do this or to do that or to watch rocket or whatever, like he's all in with it. He's like, okay, I'll do that 100%. And then of course, we we incentivize them with stuff. But it's, it's this mixture of being able to Communicate and delegate and find a happy middle ground for all of it, knowing that it's not gonna be perfect and that when it's not perfect, that's just evidence that hey, there has to be a change or there's something it's trying to teach you and as long as you're willing to lean in, it's like we were saying earlier, like lean in from your mistakes and the things that you've at least tried. Right. That's really what success looks like. Is that evolution, right?

Yeah, I completely agree and I think, like you know, maybe finishing off this, this particular part of our Discussion here is not to like forget that self-care is also important when it comes to balance and just Parenting stuff like that. It's like super important to make sure that you're taking care of yourself, that you know you can't pour from an empty cup, so like all of the energy, the time and the energy that you're like putting out Needs to come back in as well, because otherwise you you just run yourself to the ground. So prioritizing self-care and like recharging is Incredibly important and will help you be be more present with your family 100%.

Okay, let's get into the next idea and the next, next topic, which is like nurturing them, like nurturing our future leaders. I want to hop into this one because I love this part. I mean, I love all of them, but I really love this part because it's it's like creating an environment that I like to call it like psychological safety, but really it's like creating a viral environment and treating them how you want you're going to want them to treat the people they lead, and how you can best do that is, of course, having open communication. One of the things that I have found out, especially recently, is my kids are geniuses when it comes to solving problems, and If I think about a problem that I'm experiencing with the kids and I don't ask them or get their buy-in with it, my solutions are not so good. But when I ask my kids, especially my daughter, like, hey, well, how do you think we could do this? Like how? Like I mean, for example, like she was having trouble, like waking up early to go to school, and Like, of course, I've tried everything, I've tried incentives, I tried to whatever, and I didn't try one thing which was like asking her, and so we were on a walk and I'm like, hey, what do you think it would be? What could I do to make it so that when you it comes to be time to wake up, that you actually want to wake up, you're excited to get up. Like, what do you think it would be that I could do to make that happen? And she was. She told me well, if you let me wear mom's old Apple watch Like I've always wanted to wear that to see my steps, if you let me wear that, like I would make sure that I get up. And since then it's been much easier I'm not gonna say perfect, but much easier to get her up when we have, like certain things like that and I would have never guessed that on my own, but her like she was like no, this is what I want. And so asking for the feedback, I think is the first part it's very critical to actually listen to them. Even guys this is this might sound dumb, even on business decisions. I will sometime ask them even on YouTube, and my daughter would be like oh, I think you should do this, this and this.

By the way, my daughter's a YouTube star.

Yes, she's watched so many, she's contributed to so many different YouTubers, like their income because of the videos that she watched. But she knows them all. She knows which ones she watches, versus doesn't watch, versus like watches and clicks off of them, subscribes and all this stuff. So like she's such a fountain of knowledge and if I don't ask her like I'm doing myself a disservice because all I know is how I use it, not how she uses it. So there's so much knowledge there. But the second piece is making sure you set up that environment of psychological safety, meaning that when something happens like, let's say, my daughter gets into trouble, which is gonna happen, she's a kid, that's the way. Testing the boundaries at some point right, Is she gonna think, man, my dad can never find out about this, or is she gonna say this just happened. I need to go tell my dad right now? That's the difference between a psychologically safe environment where she feels okay to come tell me this is what happened, because she knows I'm not gonna shame, guilt, humiliate or overreact. I'm gonna be like, okay, so that happened. Yes, we can talk about later, like what we can do to make sure this doesn't happen, but let me help you right now, this is like what we can do what do you think about this? And we can brainstorm a plan and tackle it and overcome it. Versus why did you do that? You know you shouldn't do that. Why, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now you've created an environment that they're never gonna tell you anything, ever again, they put up a wall 100%. And this is kids, but it's also the people that you lead. If you don't create an environment of psychological safety for the people you lead, the same thing is gonna happen. And how painful is it to not know about something that, if you had known, would have changed the trajectory of everything you would have ever done. You'd have been like, oh my God, if I just knew that. But nobody's gonna be willing to tell you. If you overreact in the moment, if you make it like use the shame, guilt or humiliation instead, take a breath, you know, of course it's never gonna be hard, it's never gonna be easy to hear something like that, but going okay, it's done, it's already finished. I can't go back and do it. No shame or guilt, humiliation is gonna work right here. How can I lean in and really help and help get this back on track? I wanna give you a little bit of a story about how this happened recently and how helpful it was. So Theresa knows this about Alyssa Like sometimes she says that her homework is done and she thinks it is, but then she wakes up in the morning and she goes oh my, I gotta do my homework. And let me just say that the cool, calm. Dad has to like simmer for a second and go okay. So she wakes up and she's literally in tears and Theresa's like I don't know what's going on, but like something's going on upstairs and she's like losing it. And let me just say, like I go in there, I knock on the door and I go in and she's like I have this homework that I need to do. Two pages worth of homework, one for math and one for this and the original dad would have been like I asked you yesterday if you had homework and you told me you did. Now question how helpful do you think that's gonna be in the moment? Because she has homework to do. Let me tell you that dad does show up sometimes and it gets it way off base and then she's like even worse. Instead I'm like okay, so we'll talk later about like how we can do this and make this not happen. I get what it already happened. So what can we do? Where do you need some help? And she's like losing it and I'm like okay, I'll do the typing. Okay, so this is what's going on, so tell me what it is. And she's like telling me and I'm typing it and I'm like okay, let's do your math and we get done and she's finished and she doesn't get to eat that day, which is kind of like a not so good thing for her. But she's like, oh you know what, Maybe I should not do this again. And so she gets, all you know, composed, she goes to school, she had finished her homework and, like, later she comes back in the day and we're like, hey, let's have a conversation about this. And so she had a plan in terms of, like, what could happen or what she can do so that next time it doesn't happen. And it made sense. The reason why she didn't do it, because it wasn't homework from the night before, it was homework from two nights or no. Actually, like a week ago there was a project that she had to do over the weekend that she had forgotten to do. Anyway, it made sense when I saw it from her perspective. And we got in and we crushed it and I got to tell you, like, the next time that happens, I hope it doesn't, but when it does, like I know that she's going to be willing to tell me and to describe it to me, because she knows I'm going to be all in with helping her and then also coming up with a plan so it never happens again. So. But what would have happened if I had exploded and had gotten frustrated and would have been like but I told you what disconnection. But as a matter of fact, because that happened, I actually feel more connected to my daughter because I'm there to help her even when things aren't going well, and for her, I feel like this is something that is hopefully going to catch on to her of like, hey, I need to bring this stuff to dad because he can help, but even not, I just want to show up as the best version of me. So that's what I mean by creating and nurturing other leaders. Is you're doing this for them so they understand? Wow, that's how I should lead not only my friends right now, but also other people when I get older, so that I can really be able to nurture them like my parents nurtured me.

Yeah, and I think the key word that you said was disconnection, because someone could say, well, she's probably going to do it again because you didn't like instill fear in her right, or like, maybe that's how we grew up, where our parents wouldn't still fear and we were not wanting to do whatever it is again because our parents were getting really upset, right, but what Mark just said was, if you do it that way, you will create disconnection. And what is more important Is it hey, let me, let me make sure they know who's boss, or can I create more connection with my child and still be a parent and let them know that? Hey, it's not okay to wait till the last minute and things like that, but there's different ways to do it so that you can avoid that disconnection, because that's that's the last thing we want as parents, right?

Yeah, okay, your turn. You're up.

Okay. So the next thing is we want to talk about kind of like lessons learned and takeaways, so kind of like wrapping this up like what is your key takeaway from like this discussion.

My key takeaway? Yeah, I feel like it's the. It's the balance between leadership and parenting, and how they're very much associated and how parenting gives you the greatest ability to become a better leader and becoming a leader gives you a greatest opportunity to become a better parent. I feel like flowing between the two is such a very important distinction, because I don't know why. Maybe this is just how my brain works. My brain works in terms of, like, pulling out the universal principles that apply in one situation and moves them to another. I guess a lot of people that doesn't happen, naturally, but when I think about, like relationships with my kids and relationships with those I lead, it's very similar where there are some nuances there, but the universal principles, like, matter, right. So, making sure that I show up and model the behavior for them, make sure I I actually create that environment that they feel comfortable bringing their situation to me, make sure I'm not just solving all their problems, I'm asking them questions. This is the. This is a leadership coach in me. I'm asking questions to help them come up with solutions to the problems, because I don't want to just solve all their problems for them. It's it's you're not creating leaders, you're creating followers right, and so if you can lead into, like, helping them come to their own conclusions. And then number four, knowing that you're gonna you're gonna mess some stuff up, right? I think one of the things that my kids appreciate is when I tell them that I messed stuff up and that I am going to do better and I'm gonna get better and learn different strategies and whatnot, because I want them to know that I do make mistakes. So I wish I could boil it down to one, but those would be all 17 of mine.

What are yours no, and I no and I love that last part is they need to know that we're human and that we make mistakes. Because if we try to basically put up a front where we're like these perfect beings and you know they look up to us but they think that if they make a mistake then they're not worthy right, and you know what are we teaching them that way? So we have to make sure that we stay accountable, that we own up to things when we make mistakes and we especially, you know, verbalize that to them and say you know what I really messed up here and I'm sorry about that Like apologizing and making sure that you take responsibility on certain things and you let them know that you know it happens and it's okay that, as long as you learn from those mistakes and you try to avoid them next time. I mean, we all do it. So I think that's a really key thing to be able to teach your kids.

Yeah, and I think, just like really bringing that home to like even just putting together this podcast, like I have my own Like limiting beliefs about, like who am I to kind of like talk about this stuff? So, as we kind of like go through all these different things, like, I think the reason why I Get to talk about these things is because I messed up every single one of them for such a long time that I had to learn Different methods and different structures behind. I mean, for three and a half years, I was a part of a mastermind team where dads and fathers would get together to become better as parents, as leaders, as spouses, and I actually got to start teaching in that program about three years Into my journey and it was because of the struggles that I was going through. It was because of, like, I needed to become better and I wanted to become better for my family. That actually allows me to even talk about this. But even with all of that, I still have thoughts in the back of my mind of like what qualifies me to kind of like talk about this stuff. So, as we're going through here and you know, as you heard this like, we just hope that you pick up on some of this inspiration, that you pick up on some of this like maybe some different ideas, maybe some tweaks that you can make. Maybe you're crushing this and you need to just sit down and think about, like I'm so proud of myself, for all of the energy and effort that I'm putting into this, like I literally am doing everything they're saying, like I want you to pat yourself on the back because, like, that is such a big deal right now. This would not be a podcast or a video that would be taking off 10, 20, 30 years from now, right, but something like this, right now, in this time, is so powerful because we really value us as Parents and wanting to become better. And I just want to say thank you so much for that. Because not everybody's willing to do that, not everybody's willing to make it to the end of this podcast or this video and go like, hey, I'm gonna learn these things, I'm gonna move it forward. But when it comes to like, if we're willing to do this for our business, if we're willing to do this for our career, why would we not be willing to do this for our parent or for as a parent and for our kids, and that's what makes me so proud of you guys is being willing to lean in and even make it to this end, because it proves to me that you are powerful leaders and parents and you're exactly who your kids need, now more than ever. So if nobody's told you today, we appreciate you for doing that. Keep crushing it. Like I say on my channel always keep leading from the front. You're gonna make mistakes we all do but that's the part of the learning process, right? That's what shows us what we can adjust and modify and update later. As a matter of fact, people will now come to calling out to us and looking for help in that situation, just because we've been through it, because that's what we like. We like leaders who've been through it, and then they know the way they go the way, and then they show the way right. And so thank you for doing that, appreciate you so much, and, teresa, you want to do your outro.

Yeah, well, that was great. That was a great way to end it and thank you so much for tuning into another episode of organized chaos. We hope that you guys got some inspiration and you know some really great tips that you can implement and be able to kind of navigate, like the. You know the intersection of parenting and leadership and Help create the future leaders that we really need.